WHO Poll
Q: 2023/24 Hopes & aspirations for this season
a. As Champions of Europe there's no reason we shouldn't be pushing for a top 7 spot & a run in the Cups
24%
  
b. Last season was a trophy winning one and there's only one way to go after that, I expect a dull mid table bore fest of a season
17%
  
c. Buy some f***ing players or we're in a battle to stay up & that's as good as it gets
18%
  
d. Moyes out
37%
  
e. New season you say, woohoo time to get the new kit and wear it it to the pub for all the big games, the wags down there call me Mr West Ham
3%
  



Loxfordfella 12:51 Fri Oct 25
Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.

West Ham refusing to engage with Supporters bodies.
Today we start our campaign in earnest to get West Ham round the table.-Remember,only West Ham and Hull out of the 91 league clubs refuse to meet their supporters.
We have written similar letters to The Premier League and UEFA as West Ham are also ignoring their laid down guidelines.
We have the full support of the Football Supporters Association and already 2 MPs have promised support.We will get support in the Press and on radio.
We really need the support of the West Ham family.Success would not only mean Hammers United at the negotiating table but would lead the way for other democratic West Ham fan’s groups .Perhaps then we could look at some sort of umbrella group to raise issues with the club and hopefully work together to improve things for West Ham supporters.
We ask our members to please support in every way.Those who havnt joined yet it would be great to have you alongside us.You can join on facebook or by Emailing us at membership@hammersunited.com-Thank You.
Department of Culture, Media & Sport
100 Parliament Street,
London
SW1A 2BQ 13th September 2019
enquiries@culture.gov.uk
Dear Sir/Madam,
Complaint to DCMS regarding West Ham United FC
We write to formally complain about our Club, West Ham United FC, acting in breach of the Football Governance guidelines as set by the DCMS select committee response (HC792-1) in 2011.
We write in good faith, in lieu of approaching an MP and asking that the matter be referred to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman, and we therefore politely ask for your consideration.
We write as Hammers United (HU) www.hammersunited.com an independent supporters group representing some five thousand West Ham United supporters. In so doing we have the support of The Football Supporters’ Federation, with whom we are a fully affiliated member.
Our complaint is that the Club has repeatedly and continues to refuse to engage with any supporter body outside of one of their own making, namely the Official Supporters Board (OSB). We have been asking the Club to engage in direct dialogue with our group seeking to represent our members to discuss matters of most relevance to them and the broader attending fanbase. To date they have repeatedly refused such, explicitly stating that representations can only be made through their club mandated OSB.
We attach copies of correspondence with the Supporter Services Manager, Mr Jake Heath, which you will note conclude with him repeating on behalf of the Club that the OSB is the only organisation that they will have any dialogue with.
West Ham are bound by Article 35 of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations https://www.uefa.com/…/Gen…/02/26/77/91/2267791_DOWNLOAD.pdf as well as other requirements and guidance with regards engagement with independent supporter groupings. Article 35 obliges affiliated Clubs to have ‘proper and constructive dialogue’ with fans and was designed to allow them to have an insight into affairs that affect them.
UEFA’s Regulations were further enforced in the UK by way of the Football Governance guidelines https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/…/Football_governa…
The recommendations of the DCMS’ Select Committee’s response (HC792-1) to the initial committee enquiry headed by Professor Richard Giulianotti (FG 29) in 2011 is explicit in its support of football club engagement with relevant supporter groups in its guidance to the Premier and Football Leagues.
The wording and intention of these Government guidelines are clear, expressing recognition of the problematic and avoidable challenges caused by recalcitrant attitudes at Football Clubs whose choice to disassociate and not properly listen to their supporters and the solutions offered by having open dialogue.
At paragraph 38 they state:
‘The Government believes that every Club should officially recognise the relevant supporters groups or trusts and keep an open dialogue with them. They should hold regular and annual general meetings at which these groups are invited to take part and at which appropriate financial and other information can be shared and consulted upon’.
West Ham have specifically refused to engage in such dialogue, hold such meetings, share such information or properly consult with independent formal groups and the OSB is inadequate for these purposes.
The OSB consists of representatives chosen by Club appointees. It is not democratic; no member is elected by supporters and significant issues that concern and affect attending fans are either unspoken or pass without transparency. The Club has experienced well publicised problems in the recent past with issues such as the management of the stadium, stewarding, fixtures, travel, price increases, waiting lists, ticket allocations etc all being prominent. Most recently the Club have announced a partnership with Socios, a company advertising supporter engagement in return for the buying of tokens, whilst at the same time refusing to engage in dialogue with independent groups.
The OSB and Club are inseparable from each other and the OSB does not constitute an independent, formal or democratic body as envisaged by the Regulations or Guidelines.
Instead it is merely a construct, a reincarnation if you will from the ashes of its previously failed and well documented incarnation, the Supporters Association Board (SAB), designed to give the appearance of compliance to the minimum terms. It is noted that it appears that it is only West Ham United FC and Hull City FC amongst League Clubs in England that are refusing to directly engage with their independent supporters’ groups. This demonstrates a seemingly intransigent attitude to their supporters and the independent supporter’s groups they have chosen to represent them, as well as demonstrating disregard to the Government guidelines.
We strongly believe the club should be embracing the guidelines and encouraging engagement, acting in an inclusive fashion rather than continually trying to shut down or wholly avoid more difficult questions in club-created and club-controlled forums.
Should they be needed we can give multiple examples of specific supporter issues that West Ham have not properly addressed and that either have not been raised by the OSB or, due to its structure, have been unable to be raised.
We would ask the DCMS to urge West Ham United Football Club to engage formally in open discussion at a senior level with our independent and democratic supporter group, in keeping with the spirit of the Government guidelines, rather than exclusively with their own informal and undemocratic body. We are willing to sit down together with other groups fitting the criteria to have a constructive dialogue and progress together the issues which most affect us as attending supporters.
We thank you in advance for your kind assistance in this most frustrating situation we find ourselves in and look forward to your formal response.
Should the Club continue to refuse to engage post your anticipated intervention, it is our intention pursuant to your formal complaint procedures to raise this concerning matter formally with an MP.
Yours faithfully,
Lee Rogers
Joint Secretary
www.hammersunited.com

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Lily Hammer 3:41 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Animal

They can always say they have satisfied their obligations, but it is demonstrably untrue. Us and Hull City are the only two clubs in the league that refuse to have dialogue with a genuinely independent supporters group.

Hammers United are fighting a long, patient and righteous campaign.

Fo the Communist 3:23 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Well done, HU.
Glad to see the group understands the difference between using political channels and being party political.
Pressure needs to be brought to bear on GSB from all sides and using whatever means you can is absolutely the right thing to do.

Animal 3:16 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
So even WHO don't want to engage with you..swt

chav_corner 3:13 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Pickle.I have asked admin to contact us .We don't want it pinned any more then we can add to it and members can see when there has been movement,-Admin have not replied.

Pickle Rick 3:08 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Seriously, can't you use the pinned thread at the top of the page to update people on the work you are doing rather than creating numerous threads for each bit of news you have!!!

chav_corner 3:05 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Again mate that's the whole point.We have to make them care.The trouble is that half of West Ham's supporters don't seem to care and that breaks the heart.The fanbase is fucked or at least half of it is and somehow we have to get the pride and fight back.

Animal 2:31 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
They will say it does, and that's that.

They don't really care is the truth of the matter.

chav_corner 2:21 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Animal,The official supporters thing does not satisfy their statutory obligations.That is the whole point.

Animal 2:18 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Without wishing to be rude, do you think that perhaps you're taking this all a bit seriously?

They clearly don't want to talk to you, evidenced by the fact that every letter you send you beg them for a meeting, and they ignore your request.

Also, I imagine the official supporters thing satisfies their statutory obligations.

Finally your membership is small enough that they don't need to talk to you.

Think it would be healthier just to go and enjoy the football

Mr Kenzo 2:10 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Lee Trundle 2:04 Fri Oct 25

*Facepalms*

Northern Sold 2:09 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Can 13BR represent WHO again??

He was AWESOME

chav_corner 2:05 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Mr Kenzo.That is precisely what we are trying to change.

Lee Trundle 2:04 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Isn't that why GAVVY's been taken on as an ambassador, Kenzo?

Mr Kenzo 1:48 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
The board will only engage with Groups/People who they can control and have in their pockets.

goose 1:35 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
I admire the effort & tenacity of any group trying to change things for the better.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Eggbert Nobacon 1:30 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Surely makes more sense to merge and have one group first

Then the club would lose most of their reason to not meet (all the bulkshit around the groups and marches the other year)

chav_corner 1:26 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
Eggbert.It is quite simple.1.They agree to meet supporters groups.We will meet them.2.Other groups may ask to meet them.That is out of our control.3.if other groups also want to meet them and the club agree then we will try and form an umbrella group and work together.

Eggbert Nobacon 1:10 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
do they have to meet all the other groups too?
and what if the groups don't all agree


this sounds awfully familiar

Niblets 1:06 Fri Oct 25
Re: Hammers United start campaign for West Ham to meet supporter groups.
One word.

Paragraphs.





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